Kona Meeting Minutes
Tues 21 October 2003 09:30-12:00 13:30-17:00
Wed 22 October 2003 09:00-12:00 13:30-17:00
Thur 23 October 2003 09:00-12:00 13:30-17:00
Fri 24 October 2003 09:00-12:00 13:30-17:00
Royal Kona Resort
75-5852 Alii Drive
Kailua-Kona, HI 96740 USA
USA / ANSI, Plum Hall
1.0 Opening activities,
1.1 Opening Comments:
Tom Plum welcomed everybody and described the local arrangements.
1.2 Introduction of Participants/Roll Call
Tom Plum Plum Hall USA
Tom Kremer Cray, Inc USA
John Parks Intel USA
Fred Tydeman Tydeman Consulting USA
P. J. Plauger Dinkumware, Ltd USA
Tana L. Plauger Dinkumware, Ltd USA
Nobu Mori SAP Germany HOD
Francis Glassborrow Self UK HOD
Jeff Muller Oracle USA
Martyn Lovell Microsoft USA
Keld Simonsen self Norway HOD
David Keaton self USA
Peter Seebach self USA
Rex Jeaschke self USA
Cecilia Galvan Metrowerks USA
Tom MacDonald self USA
Douglas Gwyn US Army USA
1.3 Selection of Meeting Chair
JB to act as meeting chairman.
BH to act as meeting secretary.
1.4 Procedures for this Meeting
As per normal.
1.5 Approval of
Previous Minutes (
Prior Minutes approved as revised w/o objection. New number N1032
1.6 Review of Action Items and Resolutions
1. ACTION: JB to revise minutes of previous meeting (correct typos) and publish as N1003. DONE - published as N1004
4. ACTION: LARRY JONES - DR268 - CLOSED subgroup OTBE
6. ACTION: TOM PLUM to forward N
number of C++ Philosophy of revision document to
7. ACTION: NOBU MORI to edit N998 into a form suitable for submission as a TR. DONE
8. ACTION: JB, TOM PLUM, RANDY MEYERS, BILL PLAUGER, WILLEM WAKKER to review the document produced by NOBU MORI. DONE
9. ACTION: JB to forward the reviewed document to SC22 for registration as a TR and concurrent ballot. DONE
10. ACTION: RANDY MEYERS to write the response to DR 284 - OPEN
11. ACTION: FRED TYDEMAN create wording for a DR (number 286 assigned) dealing with correct rounding mode issues in annex F. DONE
12. ACTION: FRED TYDEMAN create wording for a DR (number to be assigned) dealing with one or more 'typo's in G.5.1p8. OPEN, new DR
13. ACTION: FRED TYDEMAN create wording for a DR (number to be assigned) containing floating-point related typos. DONE (merged into 'typo' DR being produced by JB). now DR287
14. ACTION: MARTYN LOVELL to post a
request for feedback on the contents of the paper to the
15. ACTION. RANDY MEYERS to write a paper discussing the issues raised during the discussion of DR 219. OPEN
16. ACTION. RANDY MEYERS, JB to find/create document discussing DR 260.
17. ACTION: TOM PLUM to summarize issues associated with DR 236 and provide draft wording for committee response. DONE in meeting.
18. ACTION: RANDY MEYERS to produce wording for DR 284. SAME AS #10 ABOVE
19. ACTION: RAYMOND MAK to create
sequence point document and send to review committee in time to comment for
submission to the next
20. ACTION: CLIVE FEATHER, FRED
TYDEMAN, RANDY MEYERS, TOM KREMER to review sequence point paper prior to next
21. ACTION: FRED TYDEMAN to create a 'flags and sequence points' document for submission as a DR. DONE
22. ACTION: JB to create 'variable -> object typo' document for submission as a DR. DONE
23. ACTION: CLIVE FEATHER to draft words describing the four uses of the term 'constant' to be considered in the response to DR 261. DONE
24. ACTION: WILLEM WAKKER to send document to Embedded subgroup and interested parties on April 14 for a one week review period. DONE
25. ACTION: JB will forward, on April 21, reviewed Embedded document to SC22 for PDTR ballot. DONE
26. ACTION: CLIVE FEATHER to provide modified wording for examples involving flexible array members. DONE IN DR
1.7 Approval of
Two new agenda items, agenda approved as modified.
1.8 Distribution of New Documents
1.9 Information on
Next Meeting (
PJ: Next meeting to be held in Coogee,
1.10 Identification of National Bodies (Benito)
Countries represented: UK, Canada, US, Germany, Norway
1.11 Identification of J11 voting members (Tydeman)
15 voting J11 members out of 15 possible members.
2. Liaison Activities
2.1 J11 (Walls, Meyers)
Doug Walls - Nothing of note to report.
The C Standard was reaffirmed by
the Convener at SC22 Plenary in August, in
2.3 J16/WG21 (Sutter)
Five year revision of C++ is underway.
A revised C++ Standard document, that includes the contents of the TC, has been published as ISO/IEC 14882:2003. Not yet published. This is now the official document. BSI will publish their version in November.
WG21 meeting next week. Ongoing work on several TRs - Performance, Library Extensions, Revised version of the Standard being lead by the evolution working group. Some the evolution group effort will add to language support for the Library Extensions.
Broad liaison exists with
2.4 WG15 (POSIX) (Simonsen)
Keld - Nothing of note to report. A proposal to disband WG15 was to be presented to SC22, but withdrawn by the US.
[The US TAG to WG15 has been disbanded, and it's duties assumed by US CT22. The US WG15 TAG recommended that WG15 also be disbanded.]
Doug asked how we approach extensions for POSIX issues - who do we talk to. JB pointed out that the Austin Group is the channel to use. FT has been our 'unofficial liaison'.
2.5 WG20 (I18N) (Simonsen)
Keld reported on latest activities of WG20. See N1034, WG20 Liaison Report.
2.6 WG11 (Wakker) - No Report
2.7 Other Liaison Activities
Rex Jeaschke - Free Standards Group has applied to be a Type A liaison to JTC1. Also applied to be a PAS submitter, and then would submit an LSB doc as an ISO Standard.
3. TR Status Report
The disposition of comments
document has been published for review, along with a new version of the TR.
Aiming for SC22 ballot after this meeting and for ballot to be complete before
the start of the next
SC22 has agreed that the final TR can be made publicly available via the web.
4. Rationale Editors report (Benito)
New version of rational is ready, and published in 'The C Standard' by BSI. Will be published to the WG 14 wed site in PDF
5. Defect report status (Benito)
Kona: New summary for DRs posted. Consideration to publishing a new TC, or new version of Std folding in TC1 and TC2.
This document is titled "
7. Disposition of Comments for SC22 N3579 (N1026) (Mori) (Tues Afternoon)
N 3579 - Concurrent Registration and Approval Ballot for PDTR 19769, Specification for additional character data types to the programming language C (Type 2 TR)
Registration Ballot Approved (11,0,2,12), No Comments
PDTR Ballot Approved (11,0,2,12), yes W/comments submitted by
Comments submitted were reviewed, and proposed responses were generated for each. See N1035.
ACTION: Nubo Mori to generate DOC
8. Decimal Floating-Point Arithmetic (N1016) (Mak, Cowlishaw) (Tuesday Afternoon)
Mike Cowlishaw gave a slide presentation on decimal arithmetic. Proposal is to develop a TR for decimal floating point arithmetic.
FG believes any work in this area would have a significant impact on C++, suggesting we liaison closely with them on such an effort - assuming both committees want to work on this.
Discussion between DG, MC, and TP on how 'tight' to specify. IEEE 754R, or looser, more generic.
FG prefers to make use of arithmetic operators, rather than relying on libraries; tight implementation; and 'safe' conversions.
KS on record to support the proposal. Asked about making such a proposal to WG21 - likely.
TP believes the future lies in decimal floating point.
further info: http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal
Do we have five national bodies
willing to work on this? US,
Much discussion of 'how' to work closely with C++ on this project. Herb suggested having a common editor for both projects, containing 'ifdefs' that delineate the 'C' and 'C++' specifics.
ACTION: JB to forward an NP, submitted by Canada, for a Type 2 TR for this effort to SC22 for ballot.
9. C Library Security (N1031) (Meyers) (Thurs)
Proposed Technical Report for extensions to the C99 library. These extensions are intended to promote "safer, more secure programming".
discussion presentation by
Don't provide new functions where safe functions already exist.
Q: Use of a single macro, __USE_SECURE_LIB__ -or- simple add new functions to existing headers? Use a TR number vice the above? A feature macro usually implies all or nothing. General agreement on a feature macro, although of a different name - small prize offered for a 'better name'.
Use of errno: zero is success, ERANGE used to indicate output buffer is too small. Setting errno is optional.
Add a new type via typedef, i.e. 'int typedef errcode_t' - general support for this.
Q: Making the return value an indication of success and failure? Yes. DG: three options, including doing nothing, favors the proposed.
Q: Make the return an errno value? Yes
Q: use errcode_t as the return type when errno returned? Concern about namespace collision - someone has got to be using this already?
Straw Poll on exact type spelling:
1. Spelling from reserved identifiers and future library directions - 9
2. errcode_t - 11
3. errno_t - 12
After discussion, gen consensus on errno_t.
Walked thru the document (N1031)
Sec 1 - Scope - KS interested in a possible merging of the effort he is presenting on Friday with this one. Conclusion: TBD-If we need to change the scope at some point we can do so, but not to do so right now.
Sec 2 - Needs reference to TC-1
3.1.1#1 - two 'onlys' -- remove one
184.108.40.206 - potential security hole (namespace collision) - add I-D footnote
220.127.116.11 - general issue of creation of an 'exclusive' tmp file as a side effect, possible new function.
18.104.22.168#4 needs words added to address any interactions w/tmpnam.
22.214.171.124 scanf_s general (from chart)
- variables not successfully read into by scanf_s should be set to values designed to prevent accidental uses of those variables
scanf_s("%s%s", a, sizeof a, b, sizeof b);
- If scanf_s returns 1 because of EOF prevented reading b, then b should be set to '\0'.
1. Favor of having scanf_s set to safe values of unmatched input items - lots to 2
126.96.36.199 - rand_s
Expect a better description in the next draft. Existing text is a 'place-holder'. Might exploit a hardware random number generator. Might lack a user specified seed, and the ability to restart a sequence of random numbers.
DG: If we want a 'real' random number generator, we need to be able to specify physical randomness, but there is no advantage in us trying to help those who need that capability. Fear is that we provide a false sense of security with this approach.
RM: Difficult to specify the 'goodness' of such a capability.
FG: We are not going to be able to specify a RNG that meets the real needs of high level cryptography for security. PJ suggested looking at the C++ TR that addresses RNG - well done, and a model that may work for us. TP - we could make the capability of the RNG imp-def to meet the needs of the marketplace.
DG - suggested deleting the 'pseudo-' in the text; change range "0 thru RAND_S_MAX"
General Items - UNIX Compatibility
-Functions similar to, or inspired by the Single UNIX Spec.
-Closer comparison to SUS will accompany the next draft.
How to deal with locale specific functions.
How to know that a name exists.
How to return the length of the string.
Favor of changing interface to include an indication of the number of characters needed upon failure - lots, opposed 0.
3.3.3 - edits from DG - provided via hcopy to RM
188.8.131.52#3 qsort_s - move description of 3rd argument before return value.
184.108.40.206#3 redundant statement, but keep.
220.127.116.11#5 strncpy_s - some discussion on making the concepts of #5 global, DG recommends keeping it to str*_s.
DG to provide suggested edits to RM before Friday.
18.104.22.168#2 - add 'no copying is performed'.
1. Favor of license given #5 - yes
2. favor of #5 apply globally => str*_s functions as applicable
3. for or against of NULL padding like strncpy? - NO
ACTION: DG - to provide hard copy edits to RM - DONE
DG: #7 not correct to be 'undefined behavior' - thinks it should be removed. TP would like a footnote clarifying the intent of #7, 'restrict' states the restriction with more clarity. Removing the paragraph might cause more confusion, which is why the footnote would help - but doing so is also awkward. RM will 'see what he can do with this'.
#4 - change font of 'm'
#9 - changes of "sn will be the sequence" vs "sn will point to the sequence.."
22.214.171.124 strtok_r - should be aligned with SUS, RM will check.
DG #5 - searches for the 'first' character vice searches for 'a' character.
Give strong consideration to renaming this to strtok_s to avoid conflict.
DG comments to be submitted.
3.5.1 - RM: need to fix type, or function of use of strncpy_s.
DG - not using a normalized broken down time, need to use safe functions, snprintf? RM will rework.
126.96.36.199 - basically a wrapper for asctime_s, so corrections to that will correct this.
Additional Stuff to consider:
Should there be an annex listing functions to be avoided in favor of the new functions? In favor - lots.
Should there be sections that address QOI issues, such a compiler flags, parameter validation, checks for NULL pointers, etc.? YES - this info could go in a rationale.
Should there be a rationale? YES (all TRs should have a rationale)
Should there be a predefined macro that says the library is available. NO, keep it confined to individual headers.
Other possible new functions: strcpy_s; strcat_s; wcscpy_s; wcscat_s. Would be convenient - general agreement to include.
10. Potential Defect Reports (N1012, N1015, N1017, N1024, N1025) (Plauger, Tydeman, Benito) (Tuesday Afternoon)
Purpose of this session is to determine if an item is a DR, then assign it a DR number.
N1012 - deficiency on multibyte conversions
DEFECT - DR-288
N1015 - 6.7.6 (direct-abstract-declarator) is inconsistent with 6.7.5 (direct-declarator) with respect to omitting an identifier from a declaration to form a type name. (Tydeman)
DEFECT - DR-289
N1017 - FLT_EVAL_METHOD says that ALL floating-point operations and operands are evaluated to a format whose range and precision may be greater than required by the type. This contradicts descriptions of assignment and cast. It may contradict return. It may contradict argument passing. It may contradict register variables. (Tydeman)
DEFECT - DR-290
N1024 - Corrections to requirements on inexact floating-point exceptions. (Plauger)
DEFECT - DR-291
N1025 - Change the use of 'variable' to 'object' where the Standard is referring to an object. (Benito)
DEFECT - DR-292
DR-293: Typo in Standard - 'double complex' vice 'complex' in an example
11. Ballot resolution for SC22 N3219 (N1028, N1029, N1030) (Benito)
N1028 - C Locale, Narrative Cultural Specification (22 Sep 03)
N1029 - C Standard Locale
N1030 - Summary of Voting, LB on C Locale Registration with ISO/IEC 15897.
Ballot was APPROVED, (8,0,1,12), with comments from the
Registration gives us 'ownership' of the C locale.
TP prefers that the matter just get dropped, and the C locale
General consensus to proceed.
NM: Believes registration serves no purpose.
KS: Other registrations are in process, but the process takes time.
NM: No one is using these - others are creating their own locales. Although registrations are being worked on, nobody cares, and the registrations will never happen.
ACTION: Convener to prepare a Disposition of Comments and forward to SC22 for action.
12. Defect Reports (Wednesday)
"R => C" : Changed from Review to Closed.
New DR from INCITS, presented by Randy Myers, DR-294, on the formal model for restrict.
DR-285 - R => C
DR-288 (N1012) - deficiency on multibyte conversions. More time is needed to assess the impact on the char32 work? Not really a 'defect', but a 'deficiency'. OPEN
DR-289 (N1015) Function prototype with [restrict], The Open Group Agreed as needed.
ACTION: LJ to propose suggested changes to DR-289 (on WiKi). CLOSED - see dr_289.htm
DR-292 (N1025) variable -> object (as applicable) Discussion on the meanings of the Standard's use of the term 'variable', and how it differs, conceptually, from 'object'. Can't just search and destroy, i.e. not all of the proposed changes are applicable. Cannot declare objects, so any discussion involving declaration have to be either identifiers or variables.
DG - The Standard defines 'objects' as having a region of storage
Most rejected, some accepted. SEE dr_292_edits.htm.
Note, "leave as is" means 'leave the C Standard as it is', i.e. the proposed TC was rejected.
DR-291 (N1024) - INEXACT FP Exceptions (Plauger)
MC suggested looking at the revised version of 754 w/r/t the use if the inexact flag. PJP walked through the submittal, leading a discussion on the specific changes being proposed. FT, MC, DG, DK pointed out a number of inconsistencies w/ 754 requirements and the proposed changes.
ACTION: PJP to draft the response for his proposal to DR-291 for review in Coogee. FT volunteered to review the response.
DR-290 (N1017) (Tydeman) - FLT_EVAL_METHOD extra precision and/or range
Descriptions of assignment and cast contradicts the description of FLT_EVAL_METHOD. Return, argument passing, and register variable may also contradict FLT_EVAL_METHOD. First two items accepted, last two items rejected. See dr_290_edits.htm
DR-282 R => C - edit change.
1st paragraph, change "member was omitted" to "member were omitted"
DR-274 R => C - fix 'report' (i.e. the 'link' from the prior DR)
DR-272 R => C
DR-268 LJ Proposed new wording - accepted.
ACTION: LJ to provide words to secty. DONE- SEE dr_268_words.htm
DR-261 needs more thought - keep in Review
DR-251 Mis-marked as Review ??? Accept the suggested TC
DR-230 R => C
DG - flags are not objects, thus the constraint on modifying objects does not apply to flags. Reject 1st paragraph in Suggested TC. Make 2nd paragraph a RoR. Add footnote.
ACTION: DK, footnote words - DONE (see below)
As noted in the response to DR 087, function calls in the same
expression do not overlap. This has not changed in C99.
Add a footnote to 6.5 Expressions, paragraph 2, after the first
sentence: A floating-point status flag is not an object and may be
set more than once within an expression.
Add a footnote to 7.6 Floating-point environment, paragraph 1, after
the third sentence: A floating-point status flag is not an object and
be set more than once within an expression.
meaning the same thing? Need to pass this by
DR-284 - CLOSED
math.h does NOT define INT_MIN, or INT_MAX
ACTION: PJP to provide RoR words - DR-284 DONE
No library header includes another library header. The header <math.h> does not define INT_MIN or INT_MAX. A program that wants to check the return value for equality with one of these macros must include <limits.h>.
RM position is sizeof never overflows. DG - ignore the calloc problem. PJ - size_t must be representable, cannot overflow, by definition. Attempt to overflow s/be a constraint violation / undefined behavior.
ACTION: DK, RoR DR-266 - DONE (see below)
The program is not strictly conforming because it exceeds an
environmental limit. If the implementation generates code, there is
no requirement for a diagnostic. In the event that sizeof is called on
the object, a diagnostic should be issued, but is not required.
Previously thought to be closed in
DG - response to Q1 does not seem to be right. PJ-what commercial import does this DR have. Not proposing a TC.
ACTION: FG to rephrase RoR, DR 260.
DR-236 - type base aliasing rule
RM, DG, PJ generally agreeing on concept - words a problem.
ACTION: DG to develop words, RoR, DR-236, restricting use of union members.
need to address malloc storage as well??
14. Proposed Addition of Special Math Functions - N1023 (Plauger)
WG21 planning on adding a number of math functions to a TR (Library Extensions). This is a proposal to add the same functions to C, for compatibility purposes, in a Type 2 TR, and work in close liaison with C++ to insure comp ability.
Two interest items: 1) add a lot of 'special' math functions & 2) reconciliation of C++ libraries with C99. All of the 'special' math functions are writeable in C. PJ willing to do the 'grunt' work.
DG - generally supportive. Possible namespace issues for using math.h, concerned about requirements on accuracies, tricky functions to get accurate. Believes there is a real need to standardize the functions presented.
PJ - agrees, sees making use of 'relative' error and ranges for 'absolute' errors.
DW - same potential namespace collisions in math.h, would also like to see some PD reference implementations - sees implementation as difficult.
FG - would these by type generic (PJ-yes), TR should have an informative section that explains "why" we are taking on this work (PJ-agree).
No voicing of opposition to the proposal. Francis predicts that UK will oppose the project - but he could be wrong.
Straw poll of NBs indicate favor of supporting the proposal. Convener will develop a NWI for a Type 2 TR, to be coordinated with the effort underway in WG21.
15. Internationalization APIs - N1027 (Keld) (Fri-AM)
JTC1 killed this standards project
due to lack of progress, but suggested it could be revised as a TR. Keld has brought it to
Some of these items have the same name as POSIX APIs, but are not compatible with them. Others don't exist in either C or POSIX.
NM sees a number of issues that are not addressed by the proposed document, and there are a number of other players that should participate in such an effort. Without their participation, there is no point in doing the work.
KS pointed out that this is a personal contribution, not something from WG20.
TP believes this is a bad idea, but suggested that HODs go back and discuss with their NBs for feedback.
Straw poll of NBs showed either no, or undetermined, interest at this time.
No consensus for immediate action, but may revisit later.
16. I18N Functionality as listed by WG20 (Keld)
See Also: N1034 - WG20 Liaison Report
WG20 Internationalization Survey -
WG20 AI (Keld) to conduct a survey to gather information suitable for a collection of web pages to record the state of the art w/r/t internationalization in standard programming languages, and other standards.
The pages could contain information about what is built into the language, such as character string support for different character sets, extended identifier support, what is available via standard libraries, and what resources and data formats that are employed.
In the longer run, the information contained in the web pages could be turned into an ISO TR on the subject.
WG20 will hereby like to ask if
The information could serve as general information and encourage other working groups to expand on this work.
If we agree to do this, then a
report on this would have to be put together, blessed by
TP prefers that something come from SC22 authorizing this work. Action seems to have originated from a WG20 AI.
UK - unable to support this effort right now
GERMANY - unknown
DG - volunteered to write up a paper on this
Canada - Unknown
US - Unknown
Discussion on pros and cons of contributing to this effort by the group as a whole, ranging from 'this is simple to do' to 'why should we support more work for WG20'? Issue is unresolved for now.
NM doesn't want the paper written at all, since it solves no problem.
DG-we don't always respond only to problems, it's his time, not committee time.
NO ACTION ITEM - self work is OK
17.1 Future Meetings
17.1.1 Future Meeting Schedule
2004 Mar 29-Apr 2 in Sydney Australia. Hosted by Whitesmiths/Standards Australia
2005 Apr, Norway, Oslo - No official host
2005 Sep/Oct hosted by Canadian National Body
2006 Mar/Apr - US - no host yet
17.1.2 Future Agenda Items
17.1.3 Future Mailings
Post Kona meeting mailing items to be with JB by 24 Nov 2003
Pre Coogee mailing items to be with JB by 27 Feb 2004
17.2.1 Review of Decisions Reached
No formal decisions reached.
17.2.2 Formal Vote on Resolutions
17.2.3 Review of Action Items
Kona - WG 14 ACTION ITEMS (this list duplicates the ACTIONs in the above minutes)
ACTION: Nubo Mori to prepare a Disposition of Comments for the PDTR Ballot for Additional Character Types.
ACTION: Convener (JB) to forward an
NP, submitted by
ACTION: PJP to draft the response for his proposal to the DR291 for review in Coogee. FT volunteered to review the response.
ACTION: LJ to propose suggested changes for DR-289. DONE
ACTION: PJP to provide RoR words - DR-284 DONE
ACTION: DK, RoR words DR-266 done on - wiki
ACTION: FG to rephrase RoR, DR 260.
ACTION: DG to develop words, RoR, DR-236, restricting use of union members.
ACTION: DK, footnote words, DR-287 on wiki
ACTION: DG to provide hard copy edits for Library Security TR to RM
ACTION: DG to provide additional words to the editor C99 Rationale
ACTION: Convener to prepare a Disposition of Comments on Ballot for Registration of the C Locale and forward to SC22 for action.
Carried Over OPEN Action Items from Oxford:
ACTION: FRED TYDEMAN create wording for a DR (number to be assigned) dealing with one or more 'typo's in G.5.1p8. OPEN, new DR
ACTION. RANDY MEYERS to write a paper discussing the issues raised during the discussion of DR 219. OPEN
17.2.4 Thanks to Host
Thanks to Tom Plum of Plum Hall for all the work put into hosting the meeting, and arranging for the great weather. And, a very special thank you for the 20th Anniversary Dinner party.
17.3 Other Business
17. Adjournment w/o objection at 11:37 AM, Friday.
John Benito Farance
Tom Kremer Cray,
John Parks Intel
Fred Tydeman Tydeman
P. J. Plauger Dinkumware,
Tana L. Plauger Dinkumware,
Jeff Muller Oracle
David Keaton self
Peter Seebach self
Rex Jeaschke self
Cecilia Galvan Metrowerks USA
15 voting members, all 15 voting members present
1. Appoint delegation
and HOD for future
Proposed: PJ Plauger,
Motion to accept the delegation (Benito, Plauger) - PASSES (15,0,0,0)
2. Resolution of US-40 on Embedded TR
DG - believes that the PDTR still has a technical error, but the intent is agreed to, so filing a DR can be done. Motion to forward the proposed Disposition of Comments approved without any objection.
3. N1027 - International APIs
ISO/IEC 15435.7 - SC22 cancelled
the project due to lack of progress.
Keld brought to us as a possible TR. The background on this effort is
lengthy, going back to POSIX, and alternate, adequate solutions already
exist. General consensus is against
taking this on in
Question: Does the
4. NWI on Library Security
Motion to forward an NP to INCITS for a Type 2 TR on Library Security (Benito, Plauger)
Roll Call Vote: Do you approve of forwarding an NP to INCITS for a Type II Technical Report on C Library Security?
Plum Hall YES
Perennial, Inc YES
Cray, Inc YES
Tydeman Consulting YES
Dinkumware, Ltd YES
Sun Microsystems YES
David Keaton YES
Peter Seebach YES
US Army YES
PASSES - (15,0,0,0)
Motion to adjourn (Plauger, Gwyn) - unanimous consent.